Finding Kindness in a Sometimes Unkind World with Narelle Fraser
I recently joined Narelle Fraser on Narelle Fraser Interviews for a warm, honest and deeply thoughtful conversation about kindness, policing, leadership, resilience, and what it means to stay human in systems that don’t always make that easy.
We spoke about my 23-year career in the NSW Police Force, the high-pressure environments I worked in, and the lessons I learned about leadership, integrity, psychological safety and organisational culture along the way.
The conversation also explored the point at which I realised that being respected for my work was not the same as being valued as a person, and what it took to eventually walk away from a career that had shaped so much of my identity.
We also talked about my book, Staying Kind in an Unkind World, and the deeper purpose behind The Kind Rebellion: helping people and organisations build cultures where empathy and authority can coexist, and where kindness is understood not as softness, but as strength under pressure.
I’m so grateful to Narelle for such a generous, open and meaningful conversation. Given her own policing background and the work she now does around trauma, resilience and the human impact of high-pressure careers, this felt like a particularly special conversation to be part of.
